06-26-2008, 04:24 PM
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Not a game breaking update but it would seem that we'll never get a good one. Most of the big ones for a few years now seem to do nothing but annoy plexers with the intended positive effects not even half assedly happening because of bad implementation. Please listen to the community. The game isn't going to die much more due to lack of updates than it already is, but it's not going to just get up and move ahead on its own.
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06-26-2008, 05:38 PM
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the new update about only being able to hold 5k kds then dropping i imagion was used to get rid of plexs like raids and DFs ... if infact it did work... wouldnt that drop something like 11k kingdoms to nobody with 30 runes each?
and wouldnt it be just as easy to pass to nobody and settle under a surface mule if you arnt banned....
a single nuke update would have done much more and with the way this looks... put far less gold in the game
and does this work like kingmanship where it only drops if it is walked... or does it go down on its own and kingmanship only goes up when walked... or how is this implemented now?
Last edited by Lord Sin; 06-26-2008 at 05:41 PM..
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06-26-2008, 06:16 PM
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It works exactly like kingmanship boost except it's negative.
It would take a while to coup those plexes but yeah it'd drop 20k+ 20s-40s
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06-26-2008, 09:28 PM
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so it only drops if the kingdom is walked same way as kingmanship raises it correct?
and why does every update make kingdoms more and more worthless... thus making gold more and more worthless? only real point for gold is dealing with kingdoms.. and anymore no one wants them they would rather kills beasts and place in acumen in crap suits on crap chars by playing poker and getting cards
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06-26-2008, 09:57 PM
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and one other thing... why we are this close... let us have a toggle to allow burning to start instantly at 0 kingdoms then a /save command or something that allows your kingdoms you want to keep to keep there assets up to 2500... easy enough and it makes it so the update isnt just to **** everyone because its fun
and make runes go to 0 after the kingdom drops below 75% assets or something to keep retards from going to former plexs like raids.. DFs waiting for it to coupe or taking it over for 2b and getting the gold the banned chars actually earned and dumping another quad into a econemy that is so crappy it has no real value or point to use gold in the first place
and how about a decent update to make plexs useful... the current pricing for plexs is gold + runes x about 0.75 just because the gold in its worth more than the actual plex atleast on s1 reason i keep buying and deruning them
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06-26-2008, 10:33 PM
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I don't much care for your tones. Might want to shift some stats out of arrogance and into constructive criticism. Thanks a bunch.
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06-26-2008, 10:47 PM
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ok... to "shift" benifts i could see from this update with a little work.
1. make the runes disapear before the kingdom gets to low so the gold isnt flooded in.
2. let us have a toggle to turn this on at 0 kingdoms and to set which kingdoms we want to keep.. so lets say a char used for nuking could choose to keep the spikes and the rest would degrade in a couple days. /flameon /flameoff =) then let them burn good update the postive from it would outwiegh the negative...
3. Just for fun since we have every kingdom being changed every hour a autobezz would be nice taking 25% or 30% throw this in with a purchase item or maybe a 5th scepter and nuke updates =)
and one question that was left out... is it every hour or only when walked... if its every hour does this mean the kms bonus will go up every hour now without being walked?
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06-26-2008, 11:10 PM
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only when walked, works the same way the accrued assets do
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06-27-2008, 04:31 AM
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I may have a bit of a harsh tone but the majority of the time I try to at least explain my reasoning. The original update of 5k being the starting point meant that we would have moved KD's off of Boogie Man on to SoS/sur chars which would have easily been done within a few days. The end result would be having 10 or so mules instead of 1, and maybe adding 1 every couple months as those 65k+ were from years of extra KD's from previous corruption updates. Not many are added monthly. Boogie man would have been pretty much the only char between both servers affected except for Raid and DF which are banned on s1. The starving/interest messages not showing pretty much has no use either. The only original use it could have had was to c/k noobs. I guess the main reason you put it was probably so we couldn't tell which KD's no longer sustained because you knew we'd just send them to multiple chars anyway.
I still think that the war system needs to be changed instead of having to constantly come out with corruption updates. How about giving us some feed back on why you won't implement the suggestions made in the feedback section? All idea's me and RF think of are meant to be as balanced and as fair as possible... we're not looking to trick you into doing updates that we'd then exploit. Even this last update is already ineffective because the only 3 chars it really mattered for are now banned and no one would be coming close to having that many KD's for several years probably. At this rate why not just limit to corruption to no more than 10 999 rune KD's per char since that seems like what's going to eventually happen. And at that point KD's are worthless so you might as well take them out. I don't know if you've been told yet but the person (cinderskin) who originally complained to you and apparently gave you the idea for corruption also gave you false information that you based your updates on.
As far as being disrespected how about showing the players a bit of respect yourself and listening to them instead of just banning them when they dont agree with you.
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http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/ga...e-defense.html
http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/ga...uggestion.html
Reasons and possible fixes were given (about quite a bit of stuff at least). There's hardly been any feedback from the Glitchless side about things even when we hint that we want some so it's not too reasonable to just assume some things get ignored. In my opinion you're arrogant for thinking that you fully understand all of the game, that is including politics, clans and simply just remembering everything comparing it to someone that's played hours a day every day for the past 7 years. We know you don't remember (players had to correct you on plex compet rules several months ago) and fully think everything through, it's unreasonable to expect any single person to do that. What we have now is the players giving all kinds of ideas for new stuff to keep players happy and balance the game, and then you only trying to hinder the people that actually want to play and be good and put in the thousands of hours of work and ignoring the players.
I'm half expecting you to just glance over this or something and ban me, so before anyone else says it hoping to help convince you to ban me I'll go ahead and remind you I've been banned before too. I can see why RF was so hostile and it's because we actually care about the game and want it to improve instead of degrade. Neither of us would really be inconvenienced either way by this update for reasons listed at the start, but he just finally snapped at you for doing the same stuff over and over and not listening to players it seems.
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06-27-2008, 04:54 AM
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Those suggestions would have virtually no effect on the powers that be but would make it more profitable and easier to nuke developing plex owners.
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06-27-2008, 05:14 AM
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Hades clan has over 1 quad in runes i'm sure even after a majority recently got banned, along with a retardly high amount of income from plexes. No one will ever EVER be able to get enough gold to nuke enough to cause any damage at all, or be able to out expand or even catch up (EDIT: that is no one can the way the current game mechanics are) . The ideas listed would have made it so at least some actual damage could be done. Anyone under 1k KD's wouldn't really notice any change either and we're to the point that we're expanding all chars to 2400-2500.
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If someone with 10k kds goes ahead and takes on a smaller guy with say 500, then he will stand a chance to lose a lot more since every day a good enough portion of his empire will be open for cheap nuking, implying that with good timing and skill, the smaller guy could even go as far as methodically taking 10% (5%) of the other guy's kds every day without having much external funding.
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If you just eliminate the minimum 1 hour with no rune loss then I don't see how it'd be more profitable or easier in any way. Would you mind elaborating more on what makes it more profitable and easier to nuke smaller people and doesn't change anything with the big people?
There's a certain *want* that we have to get nuked. Wars are about the only thing that make the game fun at this point. Ironically since Loveless originally said it'd be war against Glitchless before getting banned, that's all the game has been for us. There's been uhhh... one nuke mule that nuked some ****ty 1 rune expansion for a couple of days in the past 18+ months that I can remember.
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06-27-2008, 06:02 AM
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Thats because jeff is the only one who can do anything. and yeah its cheaper for the little guy but think proprtianatly. youll **** all over him 1000 times before hes even dented your assets. go choke on bouncer elmo.
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06-27-2008, 06:16 AM
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Jerome did you even read what the idea is or what I said about it that is exactly opposite to what you said? Proportionally it'd be better with the suggested ideas than the way it currently is. Either way a new guy could get nuked over and over a billion times, but it'd allow people with gold in the first place (meaning they currently have a plex or a bez job or just some saved) to do a lot. Would you rather nuke and get 100% of the runes you overthrow back or get 10%? Which method would last a small guy longer? Think about it.
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06-27-2008, 06:58 AM
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all im saying, scott, is it would be too little too late. It would help you nuke out any other plex holder as much as it would help them nuke you. perhaps not as much as it would help them but still compared to the hades assets with tat and krom gone EVERYONE is the little guy, even a collective effort. and are you saying the hour is an offensive thing or a defensive thing. i assume you mean it is defensive, ie each plex holder has a pre defined hour when anyone can nuke them with 100% runes left over etc. How is the hour decided, how can players tell when this hour will be? either way all you need to do is make a 250 rune wall or somethin rediculus and be online for that hour each day. end of the day that leaves you in an even better position than you were before.
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06-27-2008, 07:17 AM
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So in fact you didn't even read the idea. Go do that then come back. And yes Hades is the biggest and always will be. It's called years of dedicated playing time and using some smarts. Radically changing the war and KD system or just simply banning is the only way to have it otherwise. Jeff's picking the easier of the two it seems.
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06-27-2008, 07:18 AM
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It's not a pre-defined hour, you get nuked for one hour, then at the hour changed, the profit nuking is gone, and 90% of runes are lost for another day.
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06-27-2008, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Diashan
So in fact you didn't even read the idea. Go do that then come back. And yes Hades is the biggest and always will be. It's called years of dedicated playing time and using some smarts. Radically changing the war and KD system or just simply banning is the only way to have it otherwise. Jeff's picking the easier of the two it seems.
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The day you can see your own ***** is the day you can talk to me, **** rag. the "war system" stretches alot further than simply attacking and defending and you know it. RF beautifully phrased it "war on glitchless" boogie man is the weapon you were using and with this update trying to gradually take all of surface isnt going to happen. it was a good plan ill give RF that and he was upset because he was the only one in both servers this affects. Now perhaps you can stop chugging milk and eating nachos infront of your computer screen and see the light of day and perhaps people will actually enjoy logging server 2 again. End of the day scott, you will always be that greasy fingered cum stain that got beat up at school and turned him bitter. Jeff wins bud. Jump in a car fire now. Im just sorry RF decided to take you on as an ally, hes a good guy. Sensible when hes not yelling at the guy who has the keys to the safe with $20000 worth of his **** in it. All i can say is im sorry he is the one who really lost out in the banning, not you.
on a less negative note
Thank you macca for clearing that up i was unsure about that. the line "for one hour a day you are open for attack" is the one that implied it was pre defined. :P
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06-27-2008, 08:06 AM
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1. i weigh 140 lbs and i'm in better shape than you probably, and between work and 8 hours of sleep assuming i'm online 100% of the time besides that it leaves about 4 hours a day max i could be on.
2. rf never did a single thing at all on sur, that was all me.
3. i can still gradually take every KD on sur and hold it all
4. rf wasnt upset about getting screwed over or anything. as stated above it'd make us spend a few days sending KD's and that's it. he was upset at jeff for making the same updates over and over again trying to screw the same people over and it never working and him never listening to the players.
5. nothing at all has changed for me, jeff hasnt "won" anything.
6. cry and whine some more? yeah i'm the ******* everyone wants banned because i make fun of people like you. get over it. i'll probably *quit* anyway
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06-27-2008, 08:27 AM
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1.In denial too, you fat ****?
2. of course he didnt he has the sence to let someone as sad as you sit there and do it
3. untill the next update
4. proof is on the forums
5. you lost a truck ton of **** hot characters and gold you use, but its true your still fat as **** and unfortunatly for you jeff wont patch that.
6. round about the point i made the "cant see your own *****" comment i belive you were the one being made fun of.
but yeah the whole numbered argument thing. its lame dude honestly. i mean seriously it suits you dude, really captures your suck cock chug milk get bullied take it out online attitude. Between the ages of 11 and 16 how many times did the big boys push you over and call you four eyes and shove your face down the cloged urinal? I bet you even tried donning lycra shorts and a bandanna and sucking at karate before you discovered you can just take it out on kids online.
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